These are a collaboration with MKS and Blue Lug to bring back the magic that was the old Suntour Bear Traps. They came incredibly close and these are a magnificent pedal. The overall size is right up with the VP flats we used to sell. They grip is great, not that stabbed in feel from pins, bur not at all slippery. I have been commuting on them for a couple of months and am in love with them.